ZZ Performance PCM vs INTENSE PCM
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ZZ Performance PCM vs INTENSE PCM
I'm leaving DHP out of this for now.
I know very little about the specifics in tuning still (still in the learning phases), but as a potential buyer of one of these I am trying to make a comparison for which is best for my car. The Forum seems to be very split on which PCM is "best" for the bonneville.
An example in just the past few days:
Case in point, if the ZZP PCM was "so bad" how come a certain member on this forum was able to run a 13.4 in the 1/4 mile with a stock supercharger w/3.2, stock cam, and stock heads?
So anyway the point of this topic is not to argue personal opinon but to argue actual personal experinces and hard facts to justify which is better for which applications.
Cost: Intense - $99.99..... ZZP - $89.99, ZZP is $10 cheaper
Vin Programing: Intense - Yes...... ZZP - Yes
No Speed Limiter: Intense - Yes.....ZZP - Yes
Fan Adjustments: Intense - Yes.....ZZP - Yes
3-1 Skipshifts Intense - Yes.....ZZP - Yes
02, evap, egr delete Intense - Yes...ZZP - Yes
Shift Point Adjustment: Intense - Yes, ZZP - Yes
Ok so we are pretty much equal at this point, What about the places that INTENSE and ZZP differ?
Torque Managment (TM) Removal: Intense claims that 50-60% is removed, ZZP does not specify.
Trans Line Pressure: I cant verify this but it seems that the INTENSE PCM increases the line pressure more than the ZZP does out of the box, leading to harsher/faster shifts (good and bad depending on how you look at it)
Fueling: No Idea here, it seems as some complain about the ZZP running "too" rich thus reducing fuel economy, not sure on the INTENSE side of things
Things that concern Me about either PCM based on others comments:
Intense: Transmission shifts too harsh, "Maximum" Performance not achieved with "standard" PCM aka "The PCM makes no difference in the 1/4 mile".
ZZP: ZZP often forgets bonnevilles dont have the perform shift button on the shifter, or that the 99 and older have 2 buttons, this causes issues when shift points are adjusted.
So I'm stuck here trying to figure out which brand I want. Lets bring some facts and personal experience to this discussion, rather than vendor favoritism. Lets keep this topic clear of "Go buy the ZZP" or "Go get an INTENSE PCM, cause I like mine". I want this narrowed down to actual problems with either pcm, on paper or real world experiences.
I know very little about the specifics in tuning still (still in the learning phases), but as a potential buyer of one of these I am trying to make a comparison for which is best for my car. The Forum seems to be very split on which PCM is "best" for the bonneville.
An example in just the past few days:
Originally Posted by 1993 SLE
Intense has a 100000000% better PCM for the Bonneville....they are the leader in the Bonneville Performance.....Period
So anyway the point of this topic is not to argue personal opinon but to argue actual personal experinces and hard facts to justify which is better for which applications.
Cost: Intense - $99.99..... ZZP - $89.99, ZZP is $10 cheaper
Vin Programing: Intense - Yes...... ZZP - Yes
No Speed Limiter: Intense - Yes.....ZZP - Yes
Fan Adjustments: Intense - Yes.....ZZP - Yes
3-1 Skipshifts Intense - Yes.....ZZP - Yes
02, evap, egr delete Intense - Yes...ZZP - Yes
Shift Point Adjustment: Intense - Yes, ZZP - Yes
Ok so we are pretty much equal at this point, What about the places that INTENSE and ZZP differ?
Torque Managment (TM) Removal: Intense claims that 50-60% is removed, ZZP does not specify.
Trans Line Pressure: I cant verify this but it seems that the INTENSE PCM increases the line pressure more than the ZZP does out of the box, leading to harsher/faster shifts (good and bad depending on how you look at it)
Fueling: No Idea here, it seems as some complain about the ZZP running "too" rich thus reducing fuel economy, not sure on the INTENSE side of things
Things that concern Me about either PCM based on others comments:
Intense: Transmission shifts too harsh, "Maximum" Performance not achieved with "standard" PCM aka "The PCM makes no difference in the 1/4 mile".
ZZP: ZZP often forgets bonnevilles dont have the perform shift button on the shifter, or that the 99 and older have 2 buttons, this causes issues when shift points are adjusted.
So I'm stuck here trying to figure out which brand I want. Lets bring some facts and personal experience to this discussion, rather than vendor favoritism. Lets keep this topic clear of "Go buy the ZZP" or "Go get an INTENSE PCM, cause I like mine". I want this narrowed down to actual problems with either pcm, on paper or real world experiences.
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Originally Posted by TJ'sblackbonne
How about maybe a powertuner, just throwing that idea out there.
Expensive but worth it.
Expensive but worth it.
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Originally Posted by caseball2051
i have a performance shift optino on my shifter...?
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Sounds like you are looking for a comparison of the ZZP & Intense PCMs in Bonnevilles from someone who has used both in their car. I don't know if you are going to find that anywhere. I went with a Intense PCM due to their customer service and reputation with reguards to their standard Bonneville PCMs.
I now have a custom PCM from Intense for my setup.
Ed
I now have a custom PCM from Intense for my setup.
Ed
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Originally Posted by McGrath
Sounds like you are looking for a comparison of the ZZP & Intense PCMs in Bonnevilles from someone who has used both in their car. I don't know if you are going to find that anywhere.
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well i think that zzp offer more performance mod for the L36 but for the pcm im still not sure which one is better for my L36 .i will be looking for one soon .but not to many here have tested them so far on a L36
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I'll make it easy for you
Buy both. If you don't like ours better send it back, I'll refund the full price including shipping both ways. See if they are willing to do the same, if so you are covered either way you choose.
Buy both. If you don't like ours better send it back, I'll refund the full price including shipping both ways. See if they are willing to do the same, if so you are covered either way you choose.