my co worker had enough power in his 99 gtp to lay rubber anywhere from 0-30. so if he can burn out at 30, im sure they make more than enough torque....he had a cai, pully and dhp. (g teched it in the low 14'* whatever thats worth) as long as it could drop to 1st, it smoked the tires....

albiet it is very slightly modded, but our 93 doesn't have torque like that i dont think a 93 is any heavier than a 98 gtp either

also.....even if the peak torque is at a higher rpm, that doesn't mean it doesn't make the same if not more torque at a lower rpm

Mikey, I can lay 30' of rubber with GOOD quality siped tires.
A series 1 L67 develops it'* torque lower than a series 2. Off the line, no GTP can touch me.

I understand your point but..
No GTP?
I dunno that seems off.
Is your sixty better than 1.541?

96+ 280tq at 3200rpm
93 260tq at 2600


those are the ratings, ive seen quite a few stock dyno'* on gtp'* putting down 250+ft lbs at 3000rpms. thats where the dyno about started and thats at the wheels, the crank numbers are like 300ft lbs at 3k, ive seen other graphs starting at 2.8ish that show the same, 250ft lbs at the wheels....up to about 260ish around 3200-3400rpm

they are more powerful, well the should be seeing as its a bigger supercharger on a newer engine. ive never seen any 93 ssei dyno'*, maybe they make 310-320 ft lbs too....but i know our 93 ssei isn't as fast as a regal gs or gtp ive driven. yeah its torquey, but if you have enough torque in a car to burn out at 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30mph.....you've got more than enough torque, traction and skill is what you need

now your modified, probably have better than average tires, and are probably a better driver than the average gtp, so im sure you can walk a stock gtp


oh, and i can lay down 10+ feet of rubber on my weak 3400 alero thats all stock.

im not trying to start a pissing contest here

Mod for mod, no GTP can touch my car. My times before the trans went were done with simple bolt-on mods, and the Series 1 L67'* are believed to be underrated from the factory as well, in the respected opinion of my co-admin, perhaps even more underrated than the Series 2.

And it'* simply because I develop my torque down low. The GTP will run my down soon, but not off the line.

Keep in mind my 93 beat 2 modified 2000'* off the line consistently last year at WCBF04.

My 95 this year was neck and neck with a 13-second Bonneville off the line.

My 95 this year beat a 97 SSEi on the 1/4 with the same driver in both cars, bone stock for bone stock. All because of a little weight difference. It doesn't take much, which shows even further that they were all underrated.


The point I'm trying to make is that there'* not as much of a difference between the 92/93 L67, the 94/95 L67, and the 96+ L67 as many believe. I know this for a fact, as I own both generations of Series 1 L67'*, and have driven MANY of the others. If you have a 93 L67 in a 93, there'* a ton of potential, and you're not lacking any for mods any more. You can get it all.

Hmmm. Can't argue with that.

mod for mod ive seen gtp'* run the 13'* with what you have...and your at a 14.6. im not going to argue a endless arguement, you stick up for the series 1 because you have one. ive got one now too, but its stock. maybe some mods will waken it up. times of the series 1 supercharged were always in the mid to high 15'*, mid to low for the 94-95'*.

while were on the subject, what pully should i get for a now stock 93 ssei? no other mods, at most a cai or drop in. i also think what i really need is a rebuilt snout, it rattles at idle, but the rattle goes away when you rev it just a little.

Off the line? That is more driver then car. . . .Yah you need power but to lay it down you need a good driver. I think I showed that in the '92. . . . With basically a stock Series 1 L67 I pulled nearly a 1.9 60' on street tires. Once my '92 is track ready again I'll have that 1.9 easly.

I have driven all L67s/ 92-93, 94-95, 96+ and the series 2 L67 wins all the way through. When I had my car dynoed it reached a max torque of 337 ftlbs @2800 rpm. I'd say tthats quite a low rpm. That dyno was done boone stock.

I too, have driven all 3 Gens.