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From: Reutlingen, Baden-Wurttemburg, Germany
Originally Posted by harofreak00
Originally Posted by BLACK94SSEi
Originally Posted by Ryan
Originally Posted by bandit
Originally Posted by harofreak00
they only back off a LITTLE when you pulled out the 9... ***^!!!!
Either way, good to hear you're ok.
If they had weapons and pulled them, your brother probably would have had the right to drop them right there.
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From: NEBF:06,07 | NYBF:06,07 | ONBF:06,07 | CNBF:06 & more............
Originally Posted by BLACK94SSEi
Originally Posted by Ryan
Originally Posted by bandit
Originally Posted by harofreak00
they only back off a LITTLE when you pulled out the 9... ***^!!!!
Either way, good to hear you're ok.
If they had weapons and pulled them, your brother probably would have had the right to drop them right there.
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From: NEBF:06,07 | NYBF:06,07 | ONBF:06,07 | CNBF:06 & more............
Originally Posted by willwren
Yes. Any time your life or health are in immediate danger. Even if they only had a knife.
Particularly when he'* also trying to protect the little brother. However, if you have an opportunity to get away, that should be your first choice legally. If you COULD get away, and didn't, then used deadly force, it can be seen as deliberate.
Particularly when he'* also trying to protect the little brother. However, if you have an opportunity to get away, that should be your first choice legally. If you COULD get away, and didn't, then used deadly force, it can be seen as deliberate.
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Ryan, while there are some vaguely debatable issues in this situation, they WERE pursued after they left.
Those (like me and Bandit'* brother) that carry concealed legally are held to a higher standard and have undergone training. Both defensive and legal.
This isn't Canada (not meant as a slam whatsoever), and sentiment in the US has long ago turned away from the freaks and towards the law-abiding gun-toters.
In the several years Oregon has had a concealed permit law, not a SINGLE case of the use of a firearm by a permit-holding resident has ever been found to be unjust.
Those (like me and Bandit'* brother) that carry concealed legally are held to a higher standard and have undergone training. Both defensive and legal.
This isn't Canada (not meant as a slam whatsoever), and sentiment in the US has long ago turned away from the freaks and towards the law-abiding gun-toters.
In the several years Oregon has had a concealed permit law, not a SINGLE case of the use of a firearm by a permit-holding resident has ever been found to be unjust.
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Your opinion may change someday Paul, when you find yourself in a situation that your family is in danger and you can't get away.
Most States here allow concealed carry because we have the right to protect ourselves from harm. If we didn't, the criminals would have the right to do as they please.
Most States here allow concealed carry because we have the right to protect ourselves from harm. If we didn't, the criminals would have the right to do as they please.
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From: Reutlingen, Baden-Wurttemburg, Germany
Originally Posted by willwren
Ryan, while there are some vaguely debatable issues in this situation, they WERE pursued after they left.
Those (like me and Bandit'* brother) that carry concealed legally are held to a higher standard and have undergone training. Both defensive and legal.
This isn't Canada (not meant as a slam whatsoever), and sentiment in the US has long ago turned away from the freaks and towards the law-abiding gun-toters.
In the several years Oregon has had a concealed permit law, not a SINGLE case of the use of a firearm by a permit-holding resident has ever been found to be unjust.
Those (like me and Bandit'* brother) that carry concealed legally are held to a higher standard and have undergone training. Both defensive and legal.
This isn't Canada (not meant as a slam whatsoever), and sentiment in the US has long ago turned away from the freaks and towards the law-abiding gun-toters.
In the several years Oregon has had a concealed permit law, not a SINGLE case of the use of a firearm by a permit-holding resident has ever been found to be unjust.
Either way, I'm not trying to paint a picture of gun-toting lunatics. While I do not agree with handguns their private ownership of them, I do recognise that most of those legally entitled to carry are responsible.
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Originally Posted by willwren
Ryan, while there are some vaguely debatable issues in this situation, they WERE pursued after they left.
Those (like me and Bandit'* brother) that carry concealed legally are held to a higher standard and have undergone training. Both defensive and legal.
This isn't Canada (not meant as a slam whatsoever), and sentiment in the US has long ago turned away from the freaks and towards the law-abiding gun-toters.
In the several years Oregon has had a concealed permit law, not a SINGLE case of the use of a firearm by a permit-holding resident has ever been found to be unjust.
Those (like me and Bandit'* brother) that carry concealed legally are held to a higher standard and have undergone training. Both defensive and legal.
This isn't Canada (not meant as a slam whatsoever), and sentiment in the US has long ago turned away from the freaks and towards the law-abiding gun-toters.
In the several years Oregon has had a concealed permit law, not a SINGLE case of the use of a firearm by a permit-holding resident has ever been found to be unjust.
Either way, I'm not trying to paint a picture of gun-toting lunatics. While I do not agree with handguns their private ownership of them, I do recognise that most of those legally entitled to carry are responsible.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for a complete ban under the current societal circumstances. I do not see the need to have a handgun, but I certainly do not think making them 100% illegal is the answer. Frankly, I wish that no one felt the need to arm themselves, but that is somewhat utopian. To me the answer is strict licensing and education for all firearms, from shotguns to .22s to handguns (in my opinion no one has a justified need for assault type weapons).
Your argument that there have been zero unjustified deaths from permit-holders lends credence to my assertion that proper education and regulation is the only way to realise safe and responsible firearms use.
Lastly, do you know what is established as the single most effective means of deterrence in a residence? A dog (I know you have that covered, Bill).
Your argument that there have been zero unjustified deaths from permit-holders lends credence to my assertion that proper education and regulation is the only way to realise safe and responsible firearms use.
Lastly, do you know what is established as the single most effective means of deterrence in a residence? A dog (I know you have that covered, Bill).