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So how much better is the 00+ Bonne compared to the 92-99?

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Old 01-30-2007, 08:51 AM
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I've driven dozens of 2k'* myself. The 2k steering is better than my 95. But not my 93. I'm trying to make a point that it'* rack-dependent, nothing else. No bias whatsoever.

My 93 steering ratio and feel is identical to that of a 2k.

In a topic comparing likes and dislikes, it'* important sometimes to explain what actually wasn't changed during a generation change. The rack ratio is the same through the transition to the 2k. There were two rack ratio options.
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thank you for the clarification Bill, your initial post i did not sound very subjective, the additional information is greatly helpful here.

Also, in terms of preference: i tend to dislike magna-steer and the additional assist in low speed maneuvers, i have driven with it on MANY different cars and never really liked the extra low speed assist
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Low-speed assist sucks with the 'looser' SE rack. It'* ok with the tighter ratio though. Now we're off-topic.

I agree with the seats 100%. Every 2k out there should get 92-99 AL7'*.
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Now I am far from a gearhead so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but aren't there more things that can affect steering response than just the rack? Wouldn't the suspension, tires, vehicle weight, vehicle height, etc. have an affect?
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Yes. All that does. MOST of it will be the rack ratio though. With minor changes, you can make a big difference. That'* why I'm trying to explain it'* mostly the rack. My steering and suspension is tighter than any of the 2k'* out West. The owners of those cars have driven my 93 and commented on it.

So the steering isn't a 'what'* better or not' on the 00 and newer. It'* not a generation change. The basic steering and suspension geometry is really unchanged in the 2k'*.
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Originally Posted by Jim W
It'* a G-body chassis, so any addition research you do, should be directed toward G-body chassis.

One major difference, its heavier.
The 00+ is an H-Body.
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Good info on this site. I had 3 bonnevilles so far
1. 87 SE loaded
2. 91 SE loaded
3. 94 SSE loaded

the 91 felt more connected to the road, steering was phenominal on that car. the seats on the 94 SSE kicked ***, Teh 87 died at 190k miles, I find my self looking at bonnevilles all the time on Ebay Im currently driving a Lexus SC400 I love it however I miss my SSE allot. The gas milage sucked balls on the SSE though, and the wind noise drove me nuts, in addition I wanted to push the damn steering wheel in about 4 inches. The feaking prices on the 00+ cars are nuts, The 00 ssei and sle are going for 8-9k around chicago. The 00 lesabre can be had for 5-6k and the park ave ultra for 5-7k.

any comments on the 97+ park aves?
were they complety redesigned in 97 from the ground up or mostly cosmetic changes?
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Originally Posted by Rogue
Originally Posted by Jim W
It'* a G-body chassis, so any addition research you do, should be directed toward G-body chassis.

One major difference, its heavier.
The 00+ is an H-Body.
The 00+ is a second revision of the G-Body but I think they kept the H-body name ( don't ask me why? )
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What cars comprise of the
G body
H body


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