Pontiac is officially dead
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It isn't the sales totals they looked at in making the decision. It was what the cost was vs sales price. Pontiac has been below the break even point for many years. Also those are US figures. Buick has quite a niche in global sales, and a an ever increasing presence in China where car sales are expected to balloon. Pontiac has always been equated with sports cars. I think GM figures to offer sports models with Chevy and Buick. The real thing here is they want basic, middle, and luxury brands. To them, Buick fits that middle price better than Pontiac.
I'm really surprised at the numbers, they dumped Pontiac too.
Kind of a somewhat sad moment too, for as long as I've known we have always had at least one Pontiac in the family starting woth a '60 Ventura, & ending with the '92 SSe I have, when I part with it, it will be an end of an era of sorts. (now counting my grandfather going back to '26, his brother sold them, & he always had one too! )
More often than not I thought the Pontiac usually was the best looking of it'* siblings too.
Really perhaps kept Olds, & dumped Buick years back?? or were they going for the high end buyer, as Chevrolet is not going anywhere, & I'll still never understand why they asslimated Saturn into another GM clone either.
You all seem, like a nice knit group here I never thought the Bonnieville had such a cult following.
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Wasnt a better value type of equation. Buick and Pontiac use different teams for everything. For what ever reasons in the research, engineering, tooling, and production aspect. Pontiac couldnt make a profit per car, regardless of numbers. All of the Big 3 were having a problem with making passenger cars profitable and ignored it because of the nice profits they enjoyed in the "GoldRush" demand of the last 15+/- years for SUV'* and bigger better trucks. They just looked at the bottom line. The gas crunch and skyrocketing fuel prices let the air out of the SUV boom and it came back to haunt them.
Thanks for liking the Forum. Chevy and "Government Motors" isnt out of the woods. GM Corporate just doesnt still seem to understand the severity and the fact they have a huge obligation and deadline coming in June to show some really stern changes and signs of being able to float. I wouldnt gamble on Obama putting any more stimulus money into it. We might just be seeing Total Doom played out in steps.
Thanks for liking the Forum. Chevy and "Government Motors" isnt out of the woods. GM Corporate just doesnt still seem to understand the severity and the fact they have a huge obligation and deadline coming in June to show some really stern changes and signs of being able to float. I wouldnt gamble on Obama putting any more stimulus money into it. We might just be seeing Total Doom played out in steps.
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Wasnt a better value type of equation. Buick and Pontiac use different teams for everything. For what ever reasons in the research, engineering, tooling, and production aspect. Pontiac couldnt make a profit per car, regardless of numbers. All of the Big 3 were having a problem with making passenger cars profitable and ignored it because of the nice profits they enjoyed in the "GoldRush" demand of the last 15+/- years for SUV'* and bigger better trucks. They just looked at the bottom line. The gas crunch and skyrocketing fuel prices let the air out of the SUV boom and it came back to haunt them. .
Only reason the public went for the SUV was that it was overly offered as the "status quo" & forced down the public'* throat.. it was a nitche vehicle & should have stayed that way... & then came the next gas crunch, we saw that one coming didn't we?
Thanks for liking the Forum. Chevy and "Government Motors" isnt out of the woods. GM Corporate just doesnt still seem to understand the severity and the fact they have a huge obligation and deadline coming in June to show some really stern changes and signs of being able to float. I wouldnt gamble on Obama putting any more stimulus money into it. We might just be seeing Total Doom played out in steps.
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Thats sooooo crazy, didn'tGM sell more Pontiacs than all of the other brands they own? I'm just mad that i'm about to buy my first and poss last Pontiac....
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