Grand prix GTP 1999 S/Ced running off 87 octane mods
#31
Originally Posted by ChaseSmith
Now I have her trained, all of my cars except for my Sonoma take 93, but she even puts 93 in that now
#32
I dont know about running 87 octane it sounds like a bad idea especially with the 3.4 pulley. I also have a 99gpgtp except with a full 3.25 inch pulley setup and I was getting tons of kr on 91oct. now I run stricktly 94oct.
#33
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If you have a problem paying for the normal high octane fuel you should look around for a gas station that sells high octane 10% ethanol blended. I pay the same same price as regular fuel and get 94 octane. I really wouldn't want to be the person who ends up buying this car. I just don't see how a car with those mods running 87 only has 4* at WOT on a 3.4.
There are ALOT of supercharged GM cars running around on 87. My friend works at a gas station and he tells me all the time of a 40 year old woman pulling up in a SSEi, GTP, GS, Ultra, etc., and asking for 87. He then tells her thier car requires premium and they think he is trying to sell them more expensive gas for profit, and they snap at him to fill it up with 87. Some people...
There are ALOT of supercharged GM cars running around on 87. My friend works at a gas station and he tells me all the time of a 40 year old woman pulling up in a SSEi, GTP, GS, Ultra, etc., and asking for 87. He then tells her thier car requires premium and they think he is trying to sell them more expensive gas for profit, and they snap at him to fill it up with 87. Some people...
#34
Originally Posted by captainmiller
There are ALOT of supercharged GM cars running around on 87. My friend works at a gas station and he tells me all the time of a 40 year old woman pulling up in a SSEi, GTP, GS, Ultra, etc., and asking for 87. He then tells her thier car requires premium and they think he is trying to sell them more expensive gas for profit, and they snap at him to fill it up with 87. Some people...
#35
Originally Posted by willwren
There are many members here who may not understand. There are specific reasons supercharged cars, even in stock form, should run 91 octane minimum at all times. Those reasons are unique to supercharged cars and are unrelated to whatever reasons an Acura may or may not be required to.
There is a guy here running 89 in his GTP (because he also doesn't want to shell out the extra $1 per tank for premium), so if there is more that I can tell him than just that he is getting damage from knock, I would like to know.
#36
Non-forced induction motors that require premium are for the most part because of high compression.
We have high compression coupled with the compounding action of pre-heating the plenum charge by compression (supercharger). It makes it worse for us.
Making it even WORSE is running slightly lean for a mechanical reason (FPR, pump, filter, whatever) and getting knock. That usually relates to BOOM under more than stock boost levels. If not BOOM, then lesser damage more widespread.
A stock Series 1 L67 will run about 13:1 effective compression (8.5:1 @ 8psi)
Stock S2'* will be similar. Each step in pulley size you take makes it FAR worse.
I'm somewhere in the neighborhood of 16.5:1 compression under boost on the Zilla right now.
We have high compression coupled with the compounding action of pre-heating the plenum charge by compression (supercharger). It makes it worse for us.
Making it even WORSE is running slightly lean for a mechanical reason (FPR, pump, filter, whatever) and getting knock. That usually relates to BOOM under more than stock boost levels. If not BOOM, then lesser damage more widespread.
A stock Series 1 L67 will run about 13:1 effective compression (8.5:1 @ 8psi)
Stock S2'* will be similar. Each step in pulley size you take makes it FAR worse.
I'm somewhere in the neighborhood of 16.5:1 compression under boost on the Zilla right now.
#37
Originally Posted by Chinski
I get the part about why to not compare an Acura to a Bonneville...but what are these unique reasons for a SC'd motor to run 91 that a NA motor does not have? I though it all boiled down to preventing knock, no matter what type of induction the motor has. I thought the only thing higher octane does is raise the flashpoint, thus combating pre-detonation.
There is a guy here running 89 in his GTP (because he also doesn't want to shell out the extra $1 per tank for premium), so if there is more that I can tell him than just that he is getting damage from knock, I would like to know.
There is a guy here running 89 in his GTP (because he also doesn't want to shell out the extra $1 per tank for premium), so if there is more that I can tell him than just that he is getting damage from knock, I would like to know.
Like willwren said, with boost our compression ratios are already a lot higher than "high compression" N/A engines. In my GP GT my effective compression ratio currently is ~17.7:1, combine that with the high temps my blower puts out and you'll see what we're talking about here. Obviously, running 87 octane in this situation probably wouldn't be the best idea. You can pull timing to make up for the extra heat, but that only works to a certain extent. With a tune, I'm sure his setup could be tuned so that he had no KR under most part throttle situations, and honestly they probably could pull enough timing that he'd have no KR either...but it would make more power if they just went back to a stock pulley.
However, as an example, in my STE I ran 87 octane gas on 14psi boost (18:1 effective compression ratio with the 9.2:1 compression) with 17 degrees of timing and running it very lean (~13.5:1 afr) without any issues. However, the only reason I was able to do this is because my build was built for a much larger turbo pushing much more boost, so with the turbo that was on the car 14psi was actually a little out of the efficiency range so it made no sense to run more boost than that. With my intercooler, cam, heads, compression setup, the 14psi with my tune was very doable. So basically this setup should've been capable (assuming the turbo could flow) of actually doing something closer to ~22-24psi boost, and because I was only running 14psi I was able to run the 87 octane. In the GTP'* situation, he is already running more boost than he should be with his setup.
#39
Originally Posted by anotherbonneville
So does this mean if i run my car with 93 octain i can gain HP and Milage?
#40
Originally Posted by vital49
Nope. You will gain nothing from it other than a lighter wallet which may make you go a tiny bit faster.
SingsCountry1967 comes to mind, totally stock