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4T60E vs. 4T65E data collection!
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I have a 96 SSEi. I had never driven a SC 4T60 car. MAN THIS TRANS SHIFTS LIKE I WOULD HAVE BUILT IT, NOT GM!!!!! I don't know what the differences are b/t the 4T60E and the 4T60E-HD, but I can guess... I can't wait to tear one down.
This one has 147,000 miles on it, but it was pampered by one older adult male owner. I've been beating on it for a month, but no problems. I swear this thing shifts better than ANY 4T65E, HD or not, that I have driven, and I've driven alot of them. Wtih the exception of the one I built for a customer, which now shifts like an old TH350 with a shift kit, the 4T65E just never has a consistant shift feel, perf shift or not, HD or non.
My opinion, the 4T60 is a better trans for one reason... vacuum modulated line pressure. The PCM controlled PWM PC solenoid in the 4T65E SUCKS!
Anyway, I am in the planning stages of a 4T80E swap into the 96 Bonne. Look for a new thread some time soon.
This one has 147,000 miles on it, but it was pampered by one older adult male owner. I've been beating on it for a month, but no problems. I swear this thing shifts better than ANY 4T65E, HD or not, that I have driven, and I've driven alot of them. Wtih the exception of the one I built for a customer, which now shifts like an old TH350 with a shift kit, the 4T65E just never has a consistant shift feel, perf shift or not, HD or non.
My opinion, the 4T60 is a better trans for one reason... vacuum modulated line pressure. The PCM controlled PWM PC solenoid in the 4T65E SUCKS!
Anyway, I am in the planning stages of a 4T80E swap into the 96 Bonne. Look for a new thread some time soon.
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Originally Posted by pontiacjeff
Oh, the wifes Montana lost 4th gear (4th clutch shaft splines stripped) at 109,000. 2000-model 4T65E.
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Pontiacjeff, my thoughts are the same as yours. The 4T60 is a better trans from a reliability standpoint as well as operational at high mileage. And it can be built stronger when the time finally comes.
Your wife'* 65 lasting until 109k is rare.
The difference in the HD unit is the internals. Primarily the Diff. Not just a different ratio, but built stronger. When yours lets go on that 96 SSEi, It'll either be a slipping TC due to losing all the friction material on the 2nd gear clutches, or you'll launch part of your diff through the case.
Your wife'* 65 lasting until 109k is rare.
The difference in the HD unit is the internals. Primarily the Diff. Not just a different ratio, but built stronger. When yours lets go on that 96 SSEi, It'll either be a slipping TC due to losing all the friction material on the 2nd gear clutches, or you'll launch part of your diff through the case.
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Originally Posted by willwren
Pontiacjeff, my thoughts are the same as yours. The 4T60 is a better trans from a reliability standpoint as well as operational at high mileage. And it can be built stronger when the time finally comes.
Your wife'* 65 lasting until 109k is rare.
The difference in the HD unit is the internals. Primarily the Diff. Not just a different ratio, but built stronger. When yours lets go on that 96 SSEi, It'll either be a slipping TC due to losing all the friction material on the 2nd gear clutches, or you'll launch part of your diff through the case.
Your wife'* 65 lasting until 109k is rare.
The difference in the HD unit is the internals. Primarily the Diff. Not just a different ratio, but built stronger. When yours lets go on that 96 SSEi, It'll either be a slipping TC due to losing all the friction material on the 2nd gear clutches, or you'll launch part of your diff through the case.
But I'm still putting my eggs in the 4T80E basket...
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Originally Posted by willwren
The difference in the HD unit is the internals. Primarily the Diff. Not just a different ratio, but built stronger.
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Wow it looks like we have a tranny man here... What kind of failure rates are you seeing for the 65-E vs the 60-E ?
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Originally Posted by pontiacjeff
Originally Posted by willwren
The difference in the HD unit is the internals. Primarily the Diff. Not just a different ratio, but built stronger.
The 4T60E(HD) case and/or tailshaft housing may LOOK the same but is supposedly derived from beefier sources, one being mentioned to me often is the 4T60E case used in the Caddy 4.9 liter V8. Note that in the v8 application of the caddy, very few early failures were noted. The advice given to me should your OEM case not be suitable for rebuild is to find a 4T60E from a 4.9 liter V8 application and rebuild that, or another OEM L67-installed trans case donor (park avenue, riviera, SSEi, etc). I've also been TOLD that even AC Delco is distributing factory remanufactured transmissions based on the non-HD 4T60E due to the small numbers of HD units in circulation still.
A possible explanation of the 65E 2nd gear set lasting longer may be the difference in hp/tq curves between the S1 and S2 engines. So in other words, you may not have 2nd gear clutch failure to the extent the Series 1 L67 does, simply because we develop our power down lower.
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Originally Posted by willwren
A possible explanation of the 65E 2nd gear set lasting longer may be the difference in hp/tq curves between the S1 and S2 engines. So in other words, you may not have 2nd gear clutch failure to the extent the Series 1 L67 does, simply because we develop our power down lower.
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Did the 3400DOHC in the GTP, Z34 come with the -60HD? I read somewhere it did. if so, I have taken two of them apart, both 95 and 96 models, and both had a stock 4T60E diff in them. My TGP now has the 96 tranny and one of my EP limited slips in it.