can u guys list some symtoms of rear drums going bad!

Are they the original drums? Have they ever been cut/resurfaced??

i have no idea

Pull them off and look at them, the pads, and the brake cylinders.

they kinda make a grinding noise in the mornings but i fugured is was the cold weather or they rusted over due to not driving it for a few days but today after a good amount of in town driving and i stoped for a while at a friends house and when i left they were doing it again. thats why im asking but ill have to take alook at them this weekend.

Yeah, like Wiwren said, you're gonna have to pull the drums from the car. I've had my rear wheel cylinders leak onto the shoes and it caused that grinding sound that I think your experiencing. Could also have "thrown a shoe" or it'* riding on the rivets. Anyway, once you pull the drums you'll see the good, the bad, or the ugly.

ok thanx

go slow like 10 mph with the window down and ease into the e brake and listen

Does it only happen when you first start driving?

my car might be doing the same thing. only i thought it was the front. so I start to unscrew the blots and I get that feeling that one of the screws is bout the snap off in the bolt. so i stopped.

I remember that feeling distinctly before it happend before. while i was doing my brakes. I installed them myself so I thought maybe I did something wrong. well right now im gonna buy all new wheel bolts and screws. the old ones are brittle