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Old 11-13-2023, 06:16 PM
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The mechanic installed the cloyes tensioner after it was activated ..without inactivating first before installing even though the instructions say that it should be installed inactive. Can any problem arise from this?
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Old 11-13-2023, 09:10 PM
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Rubber head bolts. I can't stop laughing. Sorry.
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The mechanic said that he did everything right
He thinks he did, but doesn't know that he didn't because he doesn't know what he is doing. If he did everything right then it would have ran well and not had coolant loss.

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and insisted I should have the head machined as that must be the problem and surely I pay for machining.
He should have told you this before reassembly.

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We took it together to the machine shop. The machinist tried the thinnest feeler and it didn't slide freely and in fact showed a fair bit of friction. He said that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the head
Surprise surprise.

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and asked if new bolts had been used.
He probably asked because he probably sees a lot of amateurs have issues re-using bolts.

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I was told by someone
Who?

Can you get them to work on your car instead?

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that the mechanic should use air compressor to clear the threads or a "tap" as well.
Yep, but that'* likely not your problem here.

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There may be oil in the threading that is not allowing for proper torque.
Yep, might be.

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Should oil be put on the threads?
No.

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If it doesn't work this time, should I use gasket sealer (liquid that goes into coolant)
No. This won't fix the amazingly large caliber of ineptitude being used on this repair.

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as I don't think he will be willing to put any more work into this
Then he needs to refund you, and pay you damages on top of that for making your engine worse and wasting your time.

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and is there a good suggestion of a sealant.
Any magic bottle of magic sealer will give you the same result with a repair this bad: They won't fix it.

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I noticed that when he was trying to torque the bolt that broke, it seemed to have a "rubbery" appearance. He would tighten it and as soon as he released the pressure on the wrench it seemed to twist back as if there was some "elasticity" in the bolt..it was twisting when torqued then returning to neutral position.
Yes, it will do that when being severely overtorqued.

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He did put a lot of oil on the threads..When torquing, if some oil seeps out and gets between surface and gasket, would this not cause the leak ? Should I request using less oil or is oil necessary at all.
Oil is not necessary at all. Adding oil changes the measured torque of the torque wrench and allows the bolt to pull more tightly. This,in turn, damages the threads and applies too much pressure on the head.
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The mechanic installed the cloyes tensioner after it was activated ..without inactivating first before installing even though the instructions say that it should be installed inactive. Can any problem arise from this?
Yes...
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Rubber head bolts. I can't stop laughing. Sorry.
I am beside myself with amazement at how this is going.
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Problem can arise from using activated tensioner? what type of problem?

Car started up not as smooth as before but started and I have a P0171 code. When the mechanic was handling the cylinder head and it had exhaust attached there was a spark plug like sensor (I think O2sensor) . He was putting all the weight of the head on that and the wire attached was bent and carried all the weight..could a broken wire to this sensor cause this code.. I thought it would break and had mentioned to him but was told that the wire is strong and won't break.
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"Someone" was another mechanic I got to fix my malibu timing chain which now runs great.
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Originally Posted by Jungloverano
The mechanic said that he did everything right and insisted I should have the head machined as that must be the problem and surely I pay for machining. I said that we should have it tested first. We took it together to the machine shop. The machinist tried the thinnest feeler and it didn't slide freely and in fact showed a fair bit of friction. He said that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the head and asked if new bolts had been used. I was told by someone that the mechanic should use air compressor to clear the threads or a "tap" as well. There may be oil in the threading that is not allowing for proper torque. Should oil be put on the threads? If it doesn't work this time, should I use gasket sealer (liquid that goes into coolant) as I don't think he will be willing to put any more work into this and is there a good suggestion of a sealant.

Thanks.
Your mechanic would need to improve a bit to reach shade tree level. The head bolts are installed after chasing the threads good and then the bolts are installed dry. No oil.
He should have taken care of the head as well.
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Problem can arise from using activated tensioner? what type of problem?

Car started up not as smooth as before but started and I have a P0171 code. When the mechanic was handling the cylinder head and it had exhaust attached there was a spark plug like sensor (I think O2sensor) . He was putting all the weight of the head on that and the wire attached was bent and carried all the weight..could a broken wire to this sensor cause this code.. I thought it would break and had mentioned to him but was told that the wire is strong and won't break.
P0171 is [fuel trim too lean], so it likely not related to this.

Amazing that the mechanic found a new way to amaze me with his ineptitude. That is a sloppy bit of laziness that could cost you an oxygen sensor, maybe a manifold, and a head if the wire ends up breaking and it gets dropped. The wire is not meant for that and is not strong enough. Even if the wire didn't break, it'* amazing that it didn't break the oxygen sensor.


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