98 SE runs sweetly after UIM/LIM job (oops-engine codes)
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Originally Posted by Slug
Hey, thanks all!
Yeah, that'* a good idea on the O2 sensor. It does seem like it could be yo-yoing rich/lean/rich/lean etc.
Spark plugs sure look like something ate 'em down. TB area looks like it was spared, but I'll check anyway. Well, I'll get the codes read tomorrow morning at AutoZone. Maybe it wasn't me after all.
I'll post what I get.
Yeah, that'* a good idea on the O2 sensor. It does seem like it could be yo-yoing rich/lean/rich/lean etc.
Spark plugs sure look like something ate 'em down. TB area looks like it was spared, but I'll check anyway. Well, I'll get the codes read tomorrow morning at AutoZone. Maybe it wasn't me after all.
I'll post what I get.
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ok, I just got back from AutoZone with check engine codes (by the way, it'* 33 degrees out and snow flurries--just thought everyone would like to know that. Glad I decided to leave the 195 degree thermostat alone). They are:
PO121 throttle position sensor performance
PO171 fuel trim system lean
I've put in the exact wording from the forums TechInfo section for year 1998.
I see there'* some threads to follow up on for PO171 especially leaky manifold (or a vacuum hose problem, etc), since I just did that. I also have experience in checking O2 sensor output. MAF was also mentioned. So I have some things to go on for that code.
Didn't pick anything up on PO 121. Hopefully, I just loused that up during reassembly. It should be easy to spot and check, I would think.
PO121 throttle position sensor performance
PO171 fuel trim system lean
I've put in the exact wording from the forums TechInfo section for year 1998.
I see there'* some threads to follow up on for PO171 especially leaky manifold (or a vacuum hose problem, etc), since I just did that. I also have experience in checking O2 sensor output. MAF was also mentioned. So I have some things to go on for that code.
Didn't pick anything up on PO 121. Hopefully, I just loused that up during reassembly. It should be easy to spot and check, I would think.
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On the TPS performance..I'd be hookiing up a multimeter to check the full range of motion and see that there are no dead spots.
On the P0171.. if you only found vacuum leaks and manifold issues... oh you missed out on some good info. SanJuan Cruiser and myself experienced battery/corrosion/connection issues that cleared up the P0171, Foghorn found the ground from battery to engine block was his P0171.
First thing I'd do for 0171 is pull the battery cables off the battery and look for corrosion.
On the P0171.. if you only found vacuum leaks and manifold issues... oh you missed out on some good info. SanJuan Cruiser and myself experienced battery/corrosion/connection issues that cleared up the P0171, Foghorn found the ground from battery to engine block was his P0171.
First thing I'd do for 0171 is pull the battery cables off the battery and look for corrosion.
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It'* good that you have the codes. Now you can set out to addressing them.
It'* a good idea to check the O2 sensor anyway, especially if it hasn't been replaced ever or recently. UIM failure has been known to accellerate O2 sensor failure at times.
The P0171 code immediately makes me want to suggest that you take a really close look at your battery cable connections in addition to your vacuum lines. As you read the P0171 threads, you'll see that more than one person found their code to have been caused by corrosion.
As to the vacuum lines, double check to make sure that all hoses are connected to the right places. We had one instance where a member had two vacuum lines swapped after a UIM replace, causing misfire issues.
It'* a good idea to check the O2 sensor anyway, especially if it hasn't been replaced ever or recently. UIM failure has been known to accellerate O2 sensor failure at times.
The P0171 code immediately makes me want to suggest that you take a really close look at your battery cable connections in addition to your vacuum lines. As you read the P0171 threads, you'll see that more than one person found their code to have been caused by corrosion.
As to the vacuum lines, double check to make sure that all hoses are connected to the right places. We had one instance where a member had two vacuum lines swapped after a UIM replace, causing misfire issues.
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Thanks, Boosty and Lash!
Just got back in from the garage, and did take a look at a large threaded hole in the LIM just left of the #3 injector. I knew about it--it'* to mount a bracket holding a vacuum/electronic doodad. I got the injector rail on too soon and it was in the way.
I probed the hole with a stiff piece of plastic tubing, and yup, it goes right on in to the LIM chamber. Corrected the problem and it did dramatically get rid of the rough idling and the surging (while in drive) at stoplights. Engine light is still on full as before (it would be just too lucky to kill two birds with one stone). No other vacuum problems I could see.
I did pick up on the battery cable and ground corrosion problems in the threads. I'll certainly check for sure. Also, O2 sensor is original, so it gets a check/and or replacement also. Ditto TPS
Thanks!!
(PS We're heading up north to our cabin for awhile (in the truck), so this project will have to go inactive for a while. But I feel alot better about where to go with it now)
Just got back in from the garage, and did take a look at a large threaded hole in the LIM just left of the #3 injector. I knew about it--it'* to mount a bracket holding a vacuum/electronic doodad. I got the injector rail on too soon and it was in the way.
I probed the hole with a stiff piece of plastic tubing, and yup, it goes right on in to the LIM chamber. Corrected the problem and it did dramatically get rid of the rough idling and the surging (while in drive) at stoplights. Engine light is still on full as before (it would be just too lucky to kill two birds with one stone). No other vacuum problems I could see.
I did pick up on the battery cable and ground corrosion problems in the threads. I'll certainly check for sure. Also, O2 sensor is original, so it gets a check/and or replacement also. Ditto TPS
Thanks!!
(PS We're heading up north to our cabin for awhile (in the truck), so this project will have to go inactive for a while. But I feel alot better about where to go with it now)
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Well, I'm still here.
Too tired to take the trip due to working on the car. So I'm working on the car .
Checked TPS output: 0.45 volts idle 4.05 volts WOT
Volyage output is smooth up/down up/down etc.
One of the push/pull throttle cable pastic end ferrules kind of fell off in my hand as I was testing above. Don't know that it was a factor, but I did a kludge repair and put it back on.
Cables to battery look great. Battery negative to chassi at chassi a little rough. Loosened and applied dielectric silicone. Alternator wiring good. I give everything I can a loosening, wiggle, and tightening anyway. Can't hurt. All good maintenance.
Left battery cables off for a good while to try to clear codes. Haven't found chassi to engine strap yet. I think I'll just use booster cables here and there to temporarily accomplish that before activating again.
Haven't gotten to O2 sensor yet. We'll see what happens tonight after firing up, and then maybe off to Autozone to see if I got rid of any codes.
Too tired to take the trip due to working on the car. So I'm working on the car .
Checked TPS output: 0.45 volts idle 4.05 volts WOT
Volyage output is smooth up/down up/down etc.
One of the push/pull throttle cable pastic end ferrules kind of fell off in my hand as I was testing above. Don't know that it was a factor, but I did a kludge repair and put it back on.
Cables to battery look great. Battery negative to chassi at chassi a little rough. Loosened and applied dielectric silicone. Alternator wiring good. I give everything I can a loosening, wiggle, and tightening anyway. Can't hurt. All good maintenance.
Left battery cables off for a good while to try to clear codes. Haven't found chassi to engine strap yet. I think I'll just use booster cables here and there to temporarily accomplish that before activating again.
Haven't gotten to O2 sensor yet. We'll see what happens tonight after firing up, and then maybe off to Autozone to see if I got rid of any codes.
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fired up last night with no extra cables -- still got check engine light
left negative batterry cable off over night. Reattached this morning. Ran booster cable directly from battery negative to alternator strut.
No engine check light
Wow Thanks guys for all your help
left negative batterry cable off over night. Reattached this morning. Ran booster cable directly from battery negative to alternator strut.
No engine check light
Wow Thanks guys for all your help
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Thanks, Boosty and Lash!
Just got back in from the garage, and did take a look at a large threaded hole in the LIM just left of the #3 injector. I knew about it--it'* to mount a bracket holding a vacuum/electronic doodad. I got the injector rail on too soon and it was in the way.
Just got back in from the garage, and did take a look at a large threaded hole in the LIM just left of the #3 injector. I knew about it--it'* to mount a bracket holding a vacuum/electronic doodad. I got the injector rail on too soon and it was in the way.
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