Dammit, where was I when this was posted? I like this subject.

Problebly already covered this but here it is again.

Buick

Regal
LeSabre
Park Avenue
Rivera
Electra
Reatta


Chevrolet

Camero
Lumina
Impala
Monte Carlo
Lumina Van (Or was that the Trans Sport)

Oldsmobile

Eighty-Eight
Ninety-Eight
Silouhette
LSS
Toronado

Pontiac

Bonneville
Trans Sport
Firebird
Grand Prix

After taking in all this information, I just ended up getting confused... I'm way to familiar with Toyota'* engine naming conventions

and now I figured, my Bonnie has the VIN "C" LN3... 1G2HY51C1M1235867

The last seven digits... just looks how close that is to 1234567? :P

Thanks

So my neighbour, an older guy, just got an '87 LE. A whopping 103,000km on it, or 60k mi Very clean, some rust, but the interior and trunk are SPOTLESS got it for $500.

Checked the VIN, and it'* a "3".

This thread confuses me, so uh...?

go here: http://home.comcast.net/~bill.wren/timeline.html

hopes this helps

Needs some editing and some updates but it will do for now.

Really guys I second that. I hate to rag at you again but " 87 first year of GM'* new H body " and no mention of it being a Buick engine just aint right. The H body whole chassis and drivetrain is based exactly from the 1985 Buick Electra and Oldsmobile 98 Regency C body. But began as H in 86 with LeSabre and Delta 88. I also have some problem with calling the LG3 the 3.8 HO engine, it was the only FWD 3.8 engine in 87 and the carry over into 88. It has potential to decive someone with the LG3 to think they had a special version when it was the only version. The HO thing was just a marketing ploy to get the hard headed " gotta be a V8 " people to except the little V6. For instance was the spillover 88 LG3'* 150 HP 3.8 HO while the 88 LN3 - C 165 HP was not ? I know is some places in the GM books there is mention of 3.8 HO engine but for the most part they just call it the LG3 - 3 . A LG3 is a LG3 in other words.

I hope you guys understand my point. I have to watch you Pontiac guys you keep trying to stack the deck.

You have a great web site however with some really open minded and courtious & tactful members. Thanks for letting us " orphans " sit in. Or is that CWOF (*cars without following).

You all aren't orphans Steve LS, trofeo, 89Bonnie89 , you all are our cousins

Thats the attitude I like to hear. I got a whole stable of family menbers.

I thought they used it in the Grand Ams back then ? It was standard engine in LeSabre and Delta in 86 but I think that was the end of it. Iv'e never heard of a 87+ that had it. Not that then means forsure. I thihk they fell way short of its potential at 125 HP though.

Another interesting engine and event that I find amusing is - The early eightys large FWD Riviera'* with the "normal" mounted motor came standard with the 4.1 V6. This had the forged crank and rods like the turbo engines did. However try to find a Riv that doesnt have the 307. I cant find the Riv specifications anymore but I believe the 4.1 had more HP than the 307. Less torque and pure centrifigal force. This goes with what I mentioned before about American buyers failure to let go of the V8. It really set back the Domestic auto indurtry maybe like a decade. I believe this is much why the Imports are really killing us now. We are way behind with little hope of catching up.

The FWD 3.0 dates back to 82, wow! What was the first year of the FWD A bodys ?

I guess the 4.1 was available in RWD LeSabre too. The Riv owners site used to have a cronology that listed all Rivs over the years, production #'* of all the "types" what was standard engine and optional and it did list like early eightys 4.1 V6 was standard like maybe 81 - 85 . It was the page I saw that said 86 Riv was 140 HP. It has since been removed from the list on the main page so maybe there were errors.

I know some Eldorados came with the 4100 V8'* I alway thought they were 350'*. I was just talking to a guy that has one of the huge Devilles or maybe one of those DElegance cars and he said it had the 4100. I thought they were all the huge 46? Caddy. There is alot I dont know about, but dont tell anyone